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onekq 
posted an update 3 days ago
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My takes on Jev

1. Very likely a small model. You can certainly pretrain, but I would grab an existing base model, say Qwen 3 class

2. The new RL method is a breakthrough, classification doesn't need to align with human preferences

3. The new output is an overstatement. It's just a new LM head. Of course autoregressive decoding can be used for classification: it takes just a few tokens to express the output. Think twice: are you sure classification doesn't need few-shot, CoT, or reasoning? All of these depend on auto-regressiveness

4. It carves out a market already existing, which is now served by oversized LLMs (hence overpaid), e.g. LLM as judge, labeling

5. Jevons effect will kick in, promoting more modeling efforts for small budget teams. It might even accelerate RSI

any dataset suggestion?

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Really no idea. Just wait for the open source ones to come out

Saw it being used as a computer automation tool (i.e. open an app, type, something, etc) I think once more open jev type models come out we will have crazy things

You know it's name came from Jevons?

The margins must be crazy.

really enjoy your take here. What do you think of it's use in agentic security e.g. command classification? I'm fairly new to ML but Jev seems like a great place to invent, especially as a GPU-poor person